What happens when achieving the success you thought you wanted leaves you asking, “Now what?”
For Kris Land, that question became the beginning of a much deeper exploration.
After selling a company and making significant money, Kris found himself unexpectedly depressed. He had accomplished the goals he thought he was supposed to accomplish, but instead of feeling fulfilled, he was left with a sense of emptiness and uncertainty about what came next.
That experience pushed him to start asking questions about consciousness, spirituality, the soul, and what it means to actually be alive.
In this episode of Second Life Leader, Kris joins Doug Utberg for a wide-ranging conversation that moves between technology, science, theology, reincarnation, consciousness, and the possibility that we may be far more connected to reality than we realize.
At the center of the conversation is a simple question:
What if we’ve forgotten who we really are?
TL;DR
Fear and doubt may not be signals to stop. They may be invitations to become curious.
Chris’s perspective includes:
Question the assumptions you’ve accepted about reality.
Don’t confuse something being unprovable with it being untrue.
Think of life as an experience rather than simply a pursuit of achievement.
Consider what fear is trying to tell you instead of immediately running from it.
Use curiosity to understand where fear and doubt come from.
Recognize that you may have more agency than you think.
Pay attention to coincidences and unexpected moments of connection.
Leave room for possibilities you cannot yet explain.
Focus less on eliminating uncertainty and more on learning how to navigate it.
The goal isn’t necessarily to find definitive answers.
It’s to become willing to ask better questions.
Memorable Lines
“Use fear as a signpost. Don’t use it to trap you.”
“Fear is the concrete that keeps doubt in place.”
“Instead of fear now choosing for me, I’m now giving choice back to myself.”
“The more connected we become, the closer you get to bending that spoon.”
“What if fear is a signpost?”
“Just because you can’t prove something doesn’t mean it’s untrue.”
“Maybe you are being much more co-creative in this than you thought.”
Guest: Kris Land
Chris Land is a technology entrepreneur, inventor, and author whose career has included building companies and creating technology that previously didn’t exist.
His own experience with success, depression, and the question of “what comes next?” led him into a deeper exploration of spirituality, consciousness, theology, and the nature of reality.
His book, The Infinity Within, explores many of these ideas and approaches them as questions rather than instructions about what people should believe.
Why This Matters
For founders, executives, and high performers, the pursuit of success can become its own kind of trap.
More money.
More growth.
More achievements.
More certainty.
But what happens when you finally get what you were chasing—and discover that it doesn’t answer the question of what comes next?
Kris’s story suggests that rebuilding isn’t always about fixing something that’s broken.
Sometimes it’s about questioning the assumptions that shaped the life you built in the first place.
One of the most practical ideas from the conversation is to treat fear differently.
Instead of allowing fear to make the decision for you, pause and ask:
Why am I feeling this?
How is it serving me?
What choice do I have now?
That shift turns fear from a block into information—and gives the decision back to you.
You don’t have to believe every theory discussed in this episode.
You don’t even have to agree with Chris.
But you might walk away with something more useful:
the willingness to stay curious about the things you don’t yet understand.
Listen to the full conversation with Chris Land on Second Life Leader.
